Breaking Free from Perfectionism: A Journey of Self-Love and Healing with Psychotherapist Bianca Hughes

Have you ever felt trapped by the need to be perfect, haunted by a chorus of "shoulds" and "musts" that hold you back from your true potential? Psychotherapist Bianca Hughes joins me, Natolie Warren, to explore the depths of perfectionism, its origins, and the path to liberating ourselves from its clutches. We tackle the relentless chase for flawlessness, sharing personal anecdotes that resonate with anyone who has ever felt that nothing they do is ever quite "enough."

Childhood traumas, whether the 'big T' or 'small t' kind, often set the stage for our perfectionist tendencies, serving as a shield against emotional pain or rejection. Bianca and I take a heart-to-heart dive into how these experiences shape us, discussing the crucial step of acknowledging these wounds to foster healing and growth. Our conversation serves as a reminder that perfectionism is not an inherent failure but a survival strategy we can overcome by understanding and addressing the past traumas that fuel it.

Redefining success is an intimate process of self-love and acceptance where stillness and self-care can be as triumphant as any achievement. On my journey, a three-month sabbatical revealed the profound impact of allowing oneself time to just be, and I share this experience to encourage others to find peace in the present moment. Bianca offers her wisdom on making subtle shifts that lead to significant changes, empowering you to embrace every step of your personal evolution. Connect with us as we conclude this chapter, eager for you to join us in future episodes, where continued growth awaits.



Get To Know Bianca Hughes
Known for authenticity and heart-work services, Bianca is the ultimate trailblazer in the mental health and wellness field as a speaker and therapist, inspiring her audience to let go of the illusion of perfectionism and align with their truth

She is deeply connected to her cultural values, and Caribbean heritage, and her foundation of faith is a source of light for everyone around her. A courageous and determined woman, she moved to America from London in her 20's to follow her dreams.

Bianca created Authentically Be You Counseling & Wellness Studio, to help women dig deeper to uncover their greatest fears and tap into the inner turmoil rooted around perfectionism. Bianca continues to help women connect to their inner selves through self-awareness and vulnerability to essentially connect to their true selves and live authentically. 

Connect With Bianca Hughes
https://www.authenticallybeyou.com/


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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Welcome to Awaken your Inner Whole Woman, the show for spiritually rooted women who are hungry for change and growth. I am your host, natalie Warren, and my mission as a personal development strategist and inner healer is to inspire, educate and motivate women worldwide to stop limiting themselves and settling for less than what they want and were created to be. If you are ready to transform your life by getting out of your own way, hearing your soul's voice above the noise and activating your life's purpose, you are at the best place. Let's tune in to today's episode of. You are at the best place. Let's tune in to today's episode of Awaken your Inner Whole Woman. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to Awaken your Inner Whole Woman podcast. I am so delighted that you are here. Listen, I know it's not by chance and you have landed here. You found your way here no matter what you thought you landed here and I know that is because you are to be here for today and you may have been listening for a while. So welcome back to all of our listeners who've been listening to the podcast. I'm delighted that I have been able to hold this space for years and I have started something new this time, where we're now doing it live. We're doing it live with video, and so if you are watching it for the first time on any platform with the video, welcome, welcome, welcome.

Speaker 1: 1:33

And today I'm not doing this show alone, but what I know about you whether I know your name, where you live, what you're doing, guess what? What I know is that you are here because you want to awaken. You want to awaken to truth, you want to awaken to your purpose, you want to awaken to consciousness, healing, transformation. What I know about you is that's why you're here. Even if it's not conscious for you right now, your soul knows it. And so, on our show today, I have a special guest, someone that I met and we'll have to talk about our history together some years ago. And Bianca Hughes is here today as a psychotherapist and a mental health speaker who does a lot of work around perfectionism, and so we're going to talk about that topic with so many women who may have had challenges with perfectionism, or you know what. You are in that journey right now, and this show will be an opportunity for you to grow and to heal and to change. So come on in, bianca, and share who you are, what you do, more about your work.

Speaker 2: 2:34

Yes, thank you, natalie. I don't know how long it's been, but it's been a while.

Speaker 2: 2:39

It's been a minute and so, yeah, the work that I do. You know people always. Why do you do this work? What's this work you do?

Speaker 2: 2:49

And really it's about that sense of the perfectionism not feeling like we're enough, not doing enough, and just digging deep to help people understand the roots of that for them them because there's some similarities and there's some difference for different people and in that work that I do, I'm then able to help them. So I love that you talk about the awaken is to be their authentic self, and I feel like that is the sense of that awakening right. So really aligning with their truth in regards to how they're made and how they're wired, versus how everyone is telling them to be. And that's really what perfectionism is a lot of is that we're living up to the expectations and beliefs of others, and so that work just that I do you know from my own experience and then working with clients and then also speaking to those things as well clients and then also speaking to those things as well, absolutely, and so I love that you hold space for women to do that.

Speaker 1: 3:51

We both align in that area of helping them to really step into their true selves. I wondered, though, as you spoke on it, like how would a person know that they are struggling in this area? And I know there's stages where those who don't know, those who know but can't fix it or do anything about it, and then those that are on the other side. What are some of the things I should be listening for, looking for or observing about myself?

Speaker 2: 4:15

Yeah. So I love those questions, listening and observing. So the first thing is, when we talk about listening, we're listening, and this can happen with anyone, right? We're criticizing, we're judging ourselves, right? I, but it's the language of the shoulds. Okay, I must I never. I always do this. I'm so stupid, I'm crazy. I'm always crazy like, um, what I'm? What am I thinking? Like I never can get it right. I should have known better, or I really regret this.

Speaker 2: 4:49

So that is the language that you're looking for, whether it's coming out of your mouth or whether it's in your head. I would be honest, the. That is sometimes the hardest because we're so used to doing that and we've heard other people do that that we kind of normalize it. So sometimes it's not always easy to pick out because we're like, well, that's just regular language. But when you're doing that, if we're going to go to feelings, how does that make you feel? It makes you feel anxious, it makes you feel inadequate, it makes you feel like a failure. That's the other big thing, right? If you're often feeling like you're a failure, right, you're often, no matter what you can do, you can never get it right. It's just never enough, right? The other thing is that people pleasing, pleasing. So people pleasing in the sense of you're having a hard time setting boundaries, but a big, big, big one is you're constantly looking for validation and approval from other people because that's what you've been taught, that's what the world has shown you like. That's what shows you that you're valuable, that shows you what you're worthy, that shows you that you know you're. That shows you what you're worthy, that shows you that you know you're acceptable in those regards.

Speaker 2: 6:07

Procrastination Often people don't realize that can be attached, but the issue with that is that your thinking is I want to get it right the first time, I want to avoid mistakes. I don't want to mess up, so I don't even want to get started. To avoid mistakes, I don't want to mess up, so I don't even want to get started. Or I'm doing all of this research before I get started. So, um, those are the big ones. They tend to be high achieving. So it's not, it could be someone who doesn't work hard, but most of the time it's. Those are my high achieving, hard working and really hard and constantly going. You're not celebrating Every time you get something new, you achieve something. You're not celebrating, you're on to the next one, in a sense, of how you are treated and how you interact with yourself. So the biggest thing is there's also this element of rejection, self-rejection and then fearing, rejecting from other people. So I said a lot.

Speaker 1: 7:09

No, and I'm glad you did, because what I have found is, sometimes, when we use the word perfectionism, people will self-identify and then there are those who says, no, that's not me, right? No, that's not me. But when you broke it down and you said, here are what your thoughts are, here's what your behavior looks like, I think that helps people to say, oh, wait a minute, I am having challenges with that. So no, I appreciated that you broke down those areas, as the listeners are also listening to say, oh, maybe I am having some challenges here.

Speaker 2: 7:43

Yeah, and I think that's a really good point to say at the end, some challenges here. So perfectionism I use the term perfectionism because for me it is a thought. It's about your beliefs and your thoughts, not so much of who you are as a person, and it can show up in different areas, so it's on a spectrum, so it might not be in all areas, so I try not to use oh, I'm a perfectionist Like this is what you do all the time and this is all you are and that's your identity. And really going down to the back, that it really is a way of believing and our beliefs comes from our thoughts, which leads to our decision-making and leads to our actions, and that's what I really try to hone in on.

Speaker 1: 8:22

I love that. I love that Because, when I think of you saying that, I think of not associating this with who you are right, which is all about this authenticity that you're speaking to. Right Because we can. We can label ourselves based off of something that we're having a challenge with or we can't figure out, but you're saying, no, this is a part of you, but it's not all of you.

Speaker 2: 8:41

Yes, yeah, there's more to who you are. There's way more to who you are, but it does feel like that. If you're challenged with that, if that's coming up, if you're feeling stuck and you keep going in this cycle because it could be really a harsh cycle, it can feel like that, but that's not the truth.

Speaker 1: 9:00

Right, right. So how do you bring awareness, because awareness is so important, especially if someone is identifying that this is who I am. Right, given that I've had these challenges or I've dealt with it for a while, how do you help them to see more of these parts of who they are and to not allow this to define them in totality?

Speaker 2: 9:21

um, so one of the things specifically working with clients is the language, is the way that you talk to yourself. I'm going to stop you and I'm going like did you hear what you said? Uh, so funny. All my friends and I do it myself. Like my friend was saying something recently and I'm like what? Like they were talking bad about themselves. I'm like that's not true.

Speaker 2: 9:44

I think they was using the word abusive. I don't want to be abusive. I'm like gosh, that's like can you use the word indecisive versus abusive? Like do we have to go all the way to this? And that's the spectrum of the black and white thinking either I'm doing great or I'm not. Not like even the middle, like, oh, I'm being abusive. Why am I like, no, you're just. I think you're just being indecisive. I don't really think this is abusive, right? So it's homing in and helping them recognize and be like slowing them down. That's very important because they're high achieving. So they go, they go, they go. And I'm like, yeah, we're gonna slow this really down. Um, the tendency is to want to solve and have a solution, and I'm like doing the opposite. So I'm bringing people into the discomfort of the things that they have been avoiding, which is the discomfort and the anxiety, and so helping them really build, firstly is the awareness, and that's what that is, that is the biggest thing is the awareness of your behaviors, your feelings and your thoughts, and then your beliefs.

Speaker 1: 10:51

Right, right, because we're an autopilot, so much, right, yeah. So it's almost like when I hear you say that you like give them permission to challenge these thoughts. They may have been thoughts that they've thought for a while, even not even realizing that they're their thoughts or someone else's thoughts. They may have been thoughts that they've thought for a while, even not even realizing that they're their thoughts or someone else's thoughts, but you're like slowing them down, bringing in this mindfulness, this awareness for them to see. Oh, you actually get to choose whether you want to think that way or respond that way. That sounds empowering.

Speaker 2: 11:22

Yeah, it's so. Yes, it is, and it's so interesting you use that word permission. Um, because I've been doing some, I'm always evolving in the work I do and refining the work I do, and that was one of the words that really came up. And I was going back and forth with this permission because it's like, how can I give you permission? You know, you give them yourself, but when you think of a permission slip as something that's handed to you and then you take it, and then you, oh, I've got permission to do this, and then you begin to give yourself permission. And I remember a client saying recently, like you gave me permission to do this and you gave me permission, I'm like, oh yeah, oh yeah, I did so. I think that's on the ball.

Speaker 1: 12:10

That's what the clients say yeah, yeah, right, right, and it and it's. It's not a permission in the sense of like when we were kids, so your parents would say you could or couldn't, but it's like this permission, like this space, right, this, this, yeah, this, this, yeah, this space to choose. I think that's when I think about permission that they get a space to choose and that they can take that choice and make so many major shifts in their lives with just the choice, and so I definitely understand how that works, what that looks like. Tell me this what's something important that people miss when they view incorrectly about like perfectionism? What's something important that people miss when they view incorrectly about like perfectionism? What are some things they might miss when they have an incorrect view of perfectionism?

Speaker 2: 12:54

That you're trying to be perfect in the sense that you're just trying to have everything done perfectly your house, friends, all of that right, that is a very on the outside. It looks like that, because that is a. That is what it looks like on the outside. Let's, let's not like.

Speaker 2: 13:19

If we're going to talk about me, I'm always well, I actually like nice things, but I'm well put. But there was a point my mom told me to go to the store. I would have a shower, I would make sure I wear the same clothes, and she's like. It's at the top, like when I'm living in London. It's at the top of the road, like what are you doing? But like I could just not be seen like that, right. And now, now, like I still enjoy wearing what I want, but I'm comfortable whatever I'm I'm wearing, right, and so we think that it's just about the house and the family and the cars and everything. But it's really rooted in that fear of rejection and the fear of failure. So it's a lot deeper and it's a traumatic response, right, if you've been shamed growing up, if you have been told you're, you know, compared to others, and so I think that's what people miss is one. It's not just about trying to have perfect on the outside. And two, it's a traumatic response.

Speaker 1: 14:24

Right, right, which I think many of us have had. I think a topic now that you're bringing into this conversation is about trauma and how we have these big T's right, these big traumas, and a lot of the times we think of those, the listeners, if you're listening big T's are those events that we think of as traumatic, right, but then we have these small T's that many of us have encountered that we're not aware of. But I love the work of trauma because it helps us to understand that we all can be, have been impacted. But for you you're saying this could actually be a response to a traumatic thing that we've experienced.

Speaker 2: 14:59

Tell us yeah, yeah, absolutely. So. When I think about trauma and the trauma work is about getting unstuck right. So we're stuck somewhere, and that's why I talk about the cycle of not feeling like you're enough and good enough.

Speaker 2: 15:12

And one of the things I really learned and really struck me, which really made sense, why I started to look in this lens is I was in this training trauma training and it was talking about how the most impactful thing is the psychological and emotional trauma. That is where people deal with. That is what people deal with the most and it's way harder to overcome than some of the physical and even like they were talking about physical and sexual, because even when you think about those things, they're an act. But what we're working about physical and sexual because even when you think about those things, they're an act. But what we're working with, as we both know, is the emotional and the emotional and mental part of that thing.

Speaker 2: 15:56

And when we think about I'll touch on this is the roots of perfectionism. It's rooted in our childhood, it's rooted in what we see on the tv, um, it's rooted in the words that are said to us where we've not been made, we've been compared, not made good enough. Um, if we've been criticized, so if you are a child and you're experiencing it's a sense of emotional or mental neglect, those things are traumatic. And those things like you talk about the big teeth, little teeth to me are more impactful because this is happening the day on day or every other day. For how many years? And now it's become a belief, now it's become a behavior. So I want to avoid shame. I want to avoid shame, I want to avoid rejection, I want to avoid all those things in my childhood that caused me pain, and so, therefore, I have to be perfect, and so that is why it's a traumatic response to protect ourselves. I hope that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 17:03

No, it does, and you end it with a word that's important I want anyone to listen to is it's a form of protection, and who doesn't want to be protected right From emotional distress? All of us want to be protected from that, and so this is kind of how people may find themselves in this place. There's nothing wrong with you I think that's what you're saying it's just that it's a result of something that may have happened to you.

Speaker 2: 17:29

Absolutely Nothing wrong. It's just how I know how to operate when I think about myself. I didn't even realize I was doing it. People would say to me I think this is a big one. They would say, bianca, you always have to be right. And I know this sounds weird, but I'm gonna try to explain it. I'll be like, no, I don't. And then I'm like I just don't want to be wrong, meaning if I'm wrong, the shame, the embarrassment, I'm inadequate. How will people look at me? They're gonna reject me. And so I would never admit I was wrong, because I was like I was just trying to avoid being wrong. I wasn't trying to be right, I'm trying to avoid being wrong. I don't want no one to see my faults. I don't want no one to leave me. I don't want to be ridiculed, I don't want to be talked about, because that is painful to me. And so that was what I was avoiding.

Speaker 1: 18:28

But it came across to other people as you want to be right, right, wow, wow. And I can appreciate you sharing that because I think sometimes people feel like it's just me, right, it's just me. And what I also appreciate for you sharing that is that we teach what we need to learn right, and so I was assuming right that this must be something you had to learn, because now you want to teach it. Are you comfortable sharing a little bit about kind of what that looked like for you and what you did to get to where you are?

Speaker 2: 18:59

Yeah, I was telling someone this the other day grad school. I was telling someone this the other day grad school.

Speaker 2: 19:15

Anyone who has been to grad school as a therapist and you go through that DSM, you're going to think everything is wrong with you, like, oh my gosh, I am, no, I messed up. But grad school. And as you go through grad school and my I don't know about yours, but mine, we did, I was I found this one day all of our papers I swear I never knew how many personal reflection papers we did so once. You're constantly reflecting in every class there. It was part of our course, or maybe weekly some of the course, some of the courses we did, and you're like, oh, there's some stuff here, there's a lot of stuff I think it was doing talking about the family genogram.

Speaker 2: 20:00

So I went to therapy uh, that was my first time doing therapy and when I was in grad school. So I was like in my mid thirties, early thirties, and and that's where you know, my therapist explained it to me and, like you know, after a few sessions, begin to understand more and more about the perfectionism and what it was and all of those things that began to unwind. So, yeah, that's where it started for me to realize that you know, this anxiety, these insecurities that I had about myself, it just, yeah, that's where I began to see that about myself.

Speaker 1: 20:48

it just yeah. That's where I began to see that yeah, and I and I can appreciate that too Like one of the things as we are doing the work, we have to do the work right. As we are doing the work, we have to do the work. And I heard you even earlier talk about this embodiment kind of I believe in the work, I'm expanding, I'm growing in my work, but I also know that means you have to grow in the work to be able to share in that, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 21:09

So if you find that you're listening to this and you're saying, man, wow, you know she had the same challenges that I'm having and she is now taking those opportunities to now teach and share with others, I just want you to know that that can be possible for you, right, and whatever way you can, you teach what you need to learn, and so if you're learning this, there's opportunities for you maybe to teach it on some way to help and support others through their journey. I know that's been my story. I didn't think Bianca I was. I thought I was going to help others. That was really my I'm helping women, I'm doing this. And then I got on my journey women, I'm doing this. And then I got on my journey and was like, wait a minute, I think this is for you. You are doing this work and you get to share it with others as you do the work. It's an embodiment that you are now stepping into.

Speaker 1: 21:54

So it was very interesting. I didn't realize. I didn't realize Help us with what are some of the things someone can do if they find themselves struggling? Because I do understand that this isn't like oh, I got the awareness my life is going to be better. What can someone do if they're struggling? Um?

Speaker 2: 22:16

Of course, besides getting some support and some therapy, like in doing your research and kind of looking up to learn more, I have an e-book called You're Enough Letting Go of the Pressure to Be Perfect. That dives into understanding the roots and giving you some worksheets there educating yourself and getting an understanding so that you don't feel like you're alone anything that I do. I think that's important. When you discover something about yourself, I think I tell people get a Facebook group or something, read up on it, get knowledgeable on the subject, so that have some knowledge, so that you don't feel like you're alone, like there's loads of podcasts, like even like this right, um, I know I've done loads of other podcasts so that you're beginning to get the understanding right. And I know, for all my high achievers that just want to fix it, I'm going to say this you are not someone that needs to be fixed. This is, this is, this is not. This is like you are not a problem, and and I want to say that I'm giving you something to shift your mindset right now. You might be like I don't want to hear that, but I am literally letting you know. Feeling like you're a problem that needs to be fixed is causing you more pain, right, and so that's where the compassion piece. What I'm doing is helping you be more compassionate, and that is a big piece, right.

Speaker 2: 23:53

Um, if you, you know, when you begin to notice, how do you talk to yourself? The shoulds, I'm so stupid, or I'm crazy, or what was I thinking. And we start with well, what would you talk to yourself? The shoulds, I'm so stupid or I'm crazy, or what was I thinking. And we start with well, what would you say to a friend? What would you say to your child, a niece, nephew, you know, a godchild? What would you say? Would you use those same words? And if not, what would you say? And let's begin to give that to ourselves, because it's that compassion, it's that validation, um, you know, validation is this is just my experience and I'm not judging if I'm good or if I'm bad, if I should quote unquote in quotes should be doing this.

Speaker 2: 24:33

It just is, um, those are some things and in terms of slowing down, like just breathing, sometimes you don't even have time to anything, but let's do three deep breaths, right? So you're slowing yourself down because often you are a high achiever, you're just constantly on the wheel, you're doing so much. So I actually I said a lot and I would like everyone to take one thing. And I would like everyone to take one thing, just one, just just one, that's it. And once you feel like, okay, I've got the one, I have some sense of relief because there's a lot of anxiety there. Okay, let me explore this. I'm doing a lot of slowing down. I and I have slowed down a lot, like I'm just telling you, I just came back from a three-month sabbatical and I'm adamant about my rest and slowing down and not trying to run the world. Um, I think achievement is a strength of it is a strength of mine when I did strength finders.

Speaker 1: 25:36

It is, but that doesn't mean I have to do a lot of things, right right, it's not defined by how much you're doing, yeah, yeah, what could it be defined by, since you said that I'm thinking, someone is thinking okay, so what do I define it by? Um, how can you define accomplishment or achievement outside of doing busy?

Speaker 2: 25:58

stuff. Yeah, absolutely the. The my favorite one is what I do for myself. Oh, I rested, great, perfect Right. Cause there's always this output um, like being on a sabbatical. People would check in and be like, all right, where are you now? And I'm like, no, I'm, I'm in Thailand, all right. Where are you going next? I'm like, no, I'm, I'm in Thailand, all right. Where you going next? I'm like can I, can I be in Thailand? We always on to the next thing, like trying to go to the next accomplishment. Can I be like gosh, I made it to Thailand and I like it here, right, and so I think that's an accomplishment. Like an achievement.

Speaker 2: 26:38

That man, I spent some time with myself in the mirror today. Man, I encouraged myself today. Right, if you really want to work on achievement, let's. Let's, because you guys are amazing. If this is you and I'm talking to you you are amazing at all of your achievements on the outside, okay, so I can sit here and tell you all day they're great, but what about when it comes to you? Oh, man, I gave myself one piece of encouragement today, that's enough. I don't need you to give 10. I don't need you. The fact that you did that and you are mindful that you did that and you can recognize that that is powerful. That's that awakening like you're talking about, about that begins to happen when you begin to see and acknowledge and accept. And so I think, if you are a high achiever, let's, let's take out those outside external and let's get into the internal.

Speaker 1: 27:34

Right. Yeah, I love that. I love how you broke that down because you're right. I love that. I love how you broke that down because you're right, the those of us because I identified when you said about, like people, people saying what's next and you're wanting to move into the next. And I can recall moments where I made huge accomplishments in my business and I was saying, ok, what do we do next? Right, and I caught myself because it takes me nine, 10 months to prepare for that and then it's over. And then I'm saying what's next? And I needed to sit in it. Right, just sit in what had just happened. So I'm so glad you expressed that and I'm hopeful that those that are listening will allow yourself the space to do that and redefine achievement. What does it look like? What do you want it to look like?

Speaker 2: 28:18

Yeah, because, because, um, I was in this, um, when I was in columbia, I joined this, this. It was an event and it was beyond small talk and I'll never forget this question. And the question was this is towards the end of my sabbatical, and so the question was how do you define success? And I said you know, it's not success. I was like it's never a big word for me, it's never, it's always. To me, it was just always achievement. I just want to achieve this. I didn't always equate success, but I could sit there and I said you know what it is for me? Liking and loving myself to me, with everything in the world that makes us go against, and our experiences, the thoughts in our head that we have to fight, the things that we see, the images, what we believe, and if I can get through all of that and like and love myself, that's success to me. Right, that's, that's an achievement.

Speaker 1: 29:20

Yeah, beautiful, beautiful, because we know people on the other side who have achieved and achieved but don't like or love who they are yeah, who they are. What a beautiful place to pause this conversation, because I know we could talk about so much as it relates to this topic and just life and who we are and what we do. But I'm sure my listeners are saying how do I find out where Bianca is, her work, her practice, because you didn't mention all of that. So share about how the listeners can connect with you.

Speaker 2: 29:49

Yeah, absolutely so. The best place, the most easiest place, is my website. That's authenticallybucom, because my Instagram is on there, my LinkedIn, pinterest, everything all the links to that is there. But Instagram, authenticallybu and LinkedIn is probably my most. Bianca Hughes is probably the most the ones I'm on the most definitely Instagram. I'll be on there also on the website, and I can share the links.

Speaker 2: 30:19

Um, if you're like, is this me, is this not me? You can access my quiz. It's a free quiz, um called is perfectionism driving you? And you can see where perfectionism is in your life, um, and so I think that will just be also helpful for you to kind of get the gauge and see where you are and then then at the end of it there's a lot of like. At the end you'll read other resources that will take you to the next step in terms of wanting where do I go? And I also share the link 15 Practices to Connecting to your Authentic Self. That's another free download. So I'll send you that email too, because I think it's important to understand the perfectionism. But what does it also mean to be you and practice and lean into that Like? I don't always want to, I think, as we talk about evolving. I talked a lot about the perfectionism. I kind of live out the authenticity piece, but now I'm speaking a lot more to that piece of the authenticity and I think that's powerful as well.

Speaker 1: 31:21

So I'll send you all the links for that, for that as well yeah, so you all can just go to the show notes and get any information through that she shared. You can get it there to click on it, to go straight to those sites. And I love that we're saying because saying about the authentic self, because sometimes people will say, okay, so if I take away this perfectionistic self, who do I become Right and how do I evolve into what's next? And so you have a pathway. It sounds like that really can support them throughout that journey.

Speaker 1: 31:51

I so appreciate you being here today and allowing us to know more about you, who you are, what you do and how you show up in the world. So thank you for your work and for the listeners. I appreciate you being here today. I know again, it's not by chance that our paths have crossed. I'm looking to my microphone because typically this is the end of the audio, so I kind of look at you like I'm seeing you, but I want you to know that and I want you to know that whatever you've heard today, even if you just implement one of those things, whether it was a mindset shift or a practical tip, guess what you are on the path to making subtle change, to radically change your life. Those subtle shifts matter, and you matter as well.

Speaker 1: 32:30

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